Statement

Monday, August 20, 2007  by Anna Bryce
Category: Announcements

The judge has made no ruling today on the request for a temporary restraining order.  He has scheduled a hearing on this matter for Wednesday, Aug. 22.  Quixtar Inc. has agreed it will not take any action pending the outcome of that hearing.

It should be clear that this matter has been rescheduled and neither side is waiving any rights or arguments relating to the merits of this lawsuit.

Comments

Utah said:
August 21, 2007 3:30 AM | #

Which Restraining Order are you talking about?

There have been several requests on both sides.

jthompson said:
August 21, 2007 11:16 AM | #

Yes which one?

it appears the leverage in the court case could be proving who terminated who?  TEAM says they all resigned and Quixtar said they terminated them.  It seems the resignations/terminations happenned at the same time, in a big fight.

Trevor said:
August 21, 2007 11:28 AM | #

They're talking about theirs.  They only mention things from their side on this site.

Chuck said:
August 21, 2007 2:08 PM | #

The restraining order was on behalf of the downlines of terminated TEAM leaders to stop Quixtar from suspending the businesses of IBOs in the TEAM downline who did not restate their intent to build the business in line with the Quixtar Rules of Conduct.  (Hadn't they already done that when they renewed?)  Emails requesting/demanding a response from TEAM IBOs regarding this matter were sent from Quixtar this past Friday, August 17th, and the IBOs had until Monday, August 20th (yesterday) to respond.  The email also advised TEAM IBOs that they were not to use any TEAM produced BSMs, and if they did so they would be potentially subject to termination.  It also mentioned TEAM IBOs would soon be trained by the company in how to properly build the business regarding positioning the business in the business preview and also regarding depth building.  

It was just another in a long line of friendly communications from Quixtar designed to win friends and influence people, if you know what I mean.  ;-)

Rich Krenn/Knoxville said:
August 21, 2007 2:38 PM | #

A Bunch of BIG Pin IBO's insisting they do it their way. Rules are rules. I'm an IBO:  if I do wrong and you have warned me time and time again, I would expect to be terminated. Not even Bill Gates can do it all "his" way. Sad thing is that many innocent IBO's could pay too because of EGO driven so called "leaders". The accronym TEAM should change to TEAL (last letter being looses). I have learned in my many years as an IBO or affiliated.. That it's people that mess up the deal (often like church) not Quixtar/Alticor/Amway. I love the biz, the leadership, the concept, opportunity adn have NEVER seen or experiences ANYTHING bad from the company. Just from people... You stand your ground Devos/VanAndle families!!!!

Tex said:
August 21, 2007 3:52 PM | #

Chuck,

I agree with you, the letter appears on the blogs. We still don't know the specifics of what the problems were, and it would be hard for me to sign that letter, not knowing what I did wrong.

A/Q has some serious educating to do, as Ron Simmons and Chuck Goetchel are essentially denying they did anything wrong.

A/Q also has some serious questions to answer, as they apparently told the tool owners NOT to disclose the tool profits. This doesn't explain the prices and resulting profits, that's the uplines' issue.

It also doesn't explain why we just found out this was the direction given to the upline, to not disclose tool profits, or why we have been getting told lame excuses from the upline, such as "none of your business, it's a private business", "there's value in the tools, compare them to musical CD's", etc.

I just read a message from Ron on the freetheibo forum, an Alticor employee responds to this question: http://forums.freetheibo.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=101&start=40

Can't anyone tell the truth?

Utah said:
August 21, 2007 11:19 PM | #

Rich Krenn/Knoxville,

It sounds like you don't know very much about what is going on. The purpose of the IBOIA is to do what was missing with Nutriline in 1959. Rich and Jay felt like Nurtiline was changing the rules and they felt so strongly that the field should have a say as to what changes could occur that they created the American Way Assoc. before they even found a product. Now 50 years later, the real question is if the Board is protecting the business from changes that will hurt the field or not. That has nothing to do with Big Pins trying to get there way.

oneIBO said:
August 21, 2007 11:36 PM | #

It's a shame:

It's a shame that the recent events have had to take place. One of the most disgusting part is the way Amway/Quixtar has handled the situation for years.

Here's my opinion:

A/Q need to be real. They need to fess up to how they've conducted business the last number of years. If they don't come clean and say "we screwed up" then they should not be surprised if A/Q had no N American business left. Especially when IBO's read articles like Chuck Goetschel's letter (http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/index.php/content/view/6620/90/lang,en/).

Quixtar's conduct over the past years has resembled a politician who renounces war while at the same time owns the company that sells the ammunition. I'll site 2 main reasons.

1. Over-priced products while renouncing "consumption-only" teaching

There is nothing wrong with over-priced products in the traditional market...if they're too expensive, no one's going to buy it. Quixtar hasn't operated in the traditional market, though. They've sold products to IBO's, most of which are taught to be completely loyal (any products Q has sold to IBO customers is so small that it's not worth mentioning).

For years Q has claimed to renounce "consumption-only" teaching among LOA's (lines of affiliation) while at the same time they've known the products are not being retailed. Why not enforce the rule? They've known the products are over-priced. They've operated in a monopoly where they can sell cheap deodorant with out fair market value...because they're customer base (IBO's) are taught to be loyal.

Q has been completely 2-sided here.

2. How Quixtar has handled "team-depth building"

Here's my opinion as an outside observer (one who does not even think the "team-depth approach is the best thing for IBO's"). When Orrin & Chris' organizations were kicking, Q seemed to almost make them their poster-child. Then all the sudden they drop them. The worst is statements from A/Q such as the following: "...And over the last several months, it became clear to us that Orrin Woodward was a poster child for a long list of bad business practices that our critics hate about our company." A/Q is acting like they didn't even know what was going on? Hello???? They're not that disconnected. Does anyone in Ada have google? Come on people...this is getting ridiculous.

It's time to wake up and tell the world that you've really screwed up. Billy Florence, Orrin Woodward, Randy Haugen. Did you think 3 months ago that there would be any chance they would leave your business? I wouldn't let ego get in the way before the exodus really starts to hurt.

-oneIBO

Avin Kline said:
August 21, 2007 11:38 PM | #

Rich said:

A Bunch of BIG Pin IBO's insisting they do it their way. Rules are rules.

What rules did they break?

rdknyvr said:
August 22, 2007 2:37 AM | #

Avin, the key one from my reading of everything is that the departed Diamonds told Quixtar they intended to start their own MLM, and they wanted to negotiate the exit of their affiliated downline IBOs without honoring the legal non-competes that are in place. Alticor/Quixtar said no way. Alticor made a mess of their public communications at Alticor Blog, but whatever the other "he said/she said" issues, that's the core of it. The TEAM leaders know they and any individual(s) in their groups can leave at any time -- no one is forcing anyone to stay -- but there are legally binding non-competes in place that have fairly iron-clad "stand still" terms. So the TEAM lawsuit has been crafted, at the end of it, to get Quixtar declared an illegal product pyramid, which supposedly will then allow TEAM to get out of otherwise standard non-competes, and go ahead with the competing MLM the TEAM leaders had been planning for some significant period of time.

Tex said:
August 22, 2007 9:06 AM | #

OneIBO,

Quixtar was getting input from people like me who saw what they were doing and reported them.

ibofightback said:
August 22, 2007 10:03 AM | #

Court issues temporary restraining order against Quixtar

I gotta agree with the court on this one.

Avin Kline said:
August 22, 2007 10:48 AM | #

rdknyvr, I'm asking, what rules did they break before being terminated....before taking action to "free" their IBO's?

Rich said:
August 22, 2007 11:44 AM | #

"Quixtar was getting input from people like me who saw what they were doing and reported them."

ROFLOL!!

drgn said:
August 22, 2007 9:50 PM | #

so what was the ruling today ?

Beryl Nichols said:
August 23, 2007 12:05 PM | #

This is going to be the best "free entertainment in town" folks.  A judge making a decision about something he knows nothing about.

I hope he/she can read the Rules of Conduct and see who broke the rules and who didn't.

If they get into all the menusha on these blogs they're gonna have to go out and build a business, before they know what to decide! LOL

Reminds me of the Professor teaching the class about something he just read in the books but has never done himself.  And he charges big bucks for reapeating what he read.

Trevor said:
August 23, 2007 12:58 PM | #

I specifically enjoy how there has been no mention of how they sent threatening letters to Platinums and above giving them an ultimatum of signing a legal document asserting their submissiveness before the end of the month.  All while there is a lawsuit ongoing.

Hmm, what is significant of the end of this month?  Oh ya, it is the end of the fiscal year where all of the annual bonuses are paid out.  So, sign this or we take away the money you earned because you don't qualify for an annual bonus if you were suspended at the end of the year.

And for those who choose to not believe this is happening, I had a new Platinum in my group have their Platinum trip canceled because they refused to sign the ultimatum.

I'm sure the courts will love to hear about a company that has a lawsuit against it sending threatening letters to the people that are part of the class filing the action while holding monetary rewards at ransom...now that's some good legal maneuvering there Alticor.

Bridgett said:
August 24, 2007 4:38 AM | #

Trevor said on August 23rd, "I'm sure the courts will love to hear about a company that has a lawsuit against it sending threatening letters to the people that are part of the class filing the action while holding monetary rewards at ransom."

Um, why wouldn't anyone accept money from an illegal business? That IS what the lawsuit filed by TEAM asserts, doesn't it---that Quixtar is an illegal business?

SPARTAN said:
August 24, 2007 2:01 PM | #

THE TEAM STANDS UNITED!

JUST AS THE SPARTANS DID, WE ALSO WILL STICK TOGETHER.

FROM THE HILLS TO THE VALLEYS, WE WILL COME FROM OUR HOMES TO FIGHT THIS BATTLE.  THIS WILL BE THE DAWNING OF A NEW AGE, AND TEAM IS LEADING THE WAY!!

Tex said:
August 24, 2007 2:13 PM | #

Trevor,

I don't consider a letter to affirm the Platinum will follow the rules to be a threat.

SPARTAN,

Ever hear of the Alamo? Little Big Horn? Neither were around to enjoy the spoils, nor will you.

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